Is This How Steven Avery Did It?

Is This How Steven Avery Did It?

Is This How Steven Avery Did It?


Below is a post on reddit from user callingyououtonxyz who puts out a very good and plausible theory that Steven Avery could have in fact killed Teresa Halbach. So, is this how Steven Avery did it?

If you’re confused, I’m talking about the Docu-series “Making A Murderer” – which is about a man who was wrongly convicted of rape and spent 18 years in jail for it and was finally released in 2003 after DNA evidence proved he was not the rapist and then in 2005, Teresa Halbach was reported missing and after searching Steven Avery’s property, found Teresa’s Rav4 and eventually her remains – and the main suspect – Steven Avery. After people watched the docu-series,  a lot of people think Steven Avery was framed and did not kill Teresa Halbach. I am still on the fence about the whole thing. What I do know is that Steven and Brendan both deserve new trails – AT THE VERY LEAST. (You’ll understand after you watch the series)

I was asked in a previous thread  to provide my theorized version of events. While a timeline is not necessary to prove a murder occurred and a particular person committed the crime.

 After refining my thoughts and doing more research, here is what I think happened:

  • October 31 8.12am SA calls AutoTrader “to request the photographer who had been out to the property previously” to photograph a van his sister Barb had for sale. He gives his sister’s name and phone number instead of his own.
  • 11:43am TH calls Barb’s phone to leave a message saying that she will be there sometime after 2pm that day.
  • 2:12pm-2:24pm SA makes 3 calls to TH’s phone (impatient much?)
  • 2:12pm TH makes a call to the Zipperer residence telling them that she would arrive shortly. She arrives there sometime around 2:25.
  • 2:27pm Auto Trader calls TH’s phone. TH answers and tells them she on her way to the Avery property even though she is only just starting the work at the Zipperers. She claims she is on her to the Avery property so as to not look late/unreliable to her employers/contracting company.
  • 2:30pm-2:45pm Bobby D testifies that he saw TH arrive and take pictures of the van before walking toward SA’s trailer. Bobby says he went inside to shower and when he came back out to go bow hunting he saw the Rav-4 but not TH. [This testimony is very questionable.]
  • ~3:20pm As the distance between TH’s appointment prior to the appointment at the Avery property is approximately a 10 minute (or ten mile) drive, TH would have arrived at SA’s around 3:20pm.
  • 3:30pm-3:40pm A bus driver testifies she sees TH taking pictures of a van on the Avery property and SA walking towards his trailer when she dropped off Brendan and Blaine Dassey from school.
  • 3:30pm-4:00pm Jon Leurquin, who delivers propane for Valders Co-op testified that he fills his truck with propane near Avery’s property. He usually fuels up at about 3:30pm for about a half hour. Leurquin says he saw THs Rav 4 leave the property. He didn’t see who was driving it or if there was anyone else in the car other than the driver.
  • ~3:45-4:00pm I think at this time whoever is responsible for the murder makes their move. The only logical culprit has to be SA as no one else is around the property apart from BD who is playing PS2. Scott T. and Bobby are potential suspects too as they are each other’s only alibis. However, Bobby has no criminal background and the evidence does not seem to fit with either of them. (Blaine testified that Bobby was home asleep when he [Blaine] returned home from school. This would directly contradict Bobby’s testimony that he saw TH arrive and take pictures of the van before walking toward SA’s trailer and that he went out bow hunting between 2:30 and 2:45.) SA goes inside his trailer to put TH’s invoice in his bedroom and comes back out with the gun above his bed. He orders TH to hand him her keys and get in the boot of her car at gunpoint. He hits her on the back of the head, knocking her out. The head suffers a laceration in the process and bleeds onto her hair. This is why her blood and hair are on the rear interior of the RAV4.
  • 4:00pm SA drives off the property in the RAV4, passing the propane deliverer, and takes her somewhere where he possibly rapes her and then kills her. He returns her body into the back of the car.
  • 4:21pm Laura Schadrie a Cingular engineer testifies that all activity on TH’s phone ceases at this time.
  • 4:35pm Laura Schadrie testifies TH’s phone records show SA called TH at 4:35 p.m. The call lasted 13 seconds but Laura Schadrie couldn’t tell if it was answered or went into voice mail. SA might have called the phone to locate it. That would explain why *67 was not used in that instance.
  • 4:30pm SA drives the RAV4 back to the property, putting it on the far side of the yard in the vicinity of where it was discovered. He hits one of the junk cars on the way damaging the front light on one side, perhaps also damaging one the license plates.
  • 4:45pm Sunset
  • 5:00pm He returns home, cleans the gun, and returns it to its regular location.
  • 5:30pm SA’s girlfriend Jodi calls from jail at about 5:30. They speak for about 15 minutes.
  • 5:45pm-6:45pm SA grabs plastic garbage bags and takes Earl’s golf cart down to the RAV4. He removes TH’s body, wraps it in the bags, and puts it in the golf cart. (Later, cadaver dog hits on the cart.) This is how he gets his blood in the back of the RAV4. He moves the car to its final resting position, double parked. This is how his blood gets near the ignition. He drives TH’s body up to the garage in the golf cart and parks in the right side of the garage.
  • 6:45-7:00pm SA removes TH’s body from the golf cart and brings it to his fire pit. In the process, some blood drips onto the garage floor. SA starts the fire.
  • 7:00pm BD, who has been home since being dropped off from school, answers a phone call from SA. SA invites him over for a bonfire that he’s having which BD accepts.
  • 7:00pm-9:00pm BD and SA ride around on the golf cart around his mother’s house to look for junk to throw on the fire which was burning as they intermittently tend to it. SA cuts himself on something in the process of collecting wires, tires, etc.
  • 8:45pm ST testifies that the flames of the bonfire at around 8:45pm were “almost as tall as the garage, 10 feet tall, maybe.” The defense brought up that his original statement said that the flames were only 3 ft tall.
  • 9:00pm BD testifies his mother/Barb called SA’s cell phone after getting home to make sure BD had either a jacket or sweater on and to send him home at 10:00pm. BD and SA clean up the “dark red spots” in the garage using gas, paint thinner (an oxidizing agent), and chlorine bleach.
  • 9:30pm SA’s girlfriend/Jodi calls again at around 9:30. They speak for about 15 minutes. SA tells Jodi that he was in the garage cleaning up something with BD during his 9:30pm phone call with her.
  • BD stood by the fire with SA until 10:00pm.
  • 10:00pm BD testifies he went home and talked to Barb about Scott’s mother who was in the hospital and whether she was alright. Barb notices bleach marks on BD’s jeans. BD tells Barb that he had been helping SA clean up something in the garage that night. SA continues tending the fire all night until dawn.

November 1st, the next day

  • Upon beginning of sunrise SA puts the remainder of whatever is left of TH’s body in his burn barrel. He finishes up, put a few fragments of bone and one piece of muscle tissue remain. He doesn’t see this as they are small and the barrel has ashes. He also burns her PDA and phone in the barrel.
  • When there is daylight SA removes the plates, roughly covers up the car, and takes the battery out of the RAV4. He wipes all the places he thinks of for prints: door handles including the hatchback, gear, and steering wheel. He misses, i.e. doesn’t see or notice, the blood spot near the ignition. He doesn’t even see the spots of blood in the rear.
  • He tosses the plates into one of the junked cars.
  • He tosses her keys into another one of the junked cars.

Some other points of note:

• BD attempted suicide before talking to law enforcement. (This not yet verified.)

• SA originally told investigators he didn’t have a fire on October 31st. (Still looking for a direct source.)

• BD testifies that he helped SA clean up “dark red spots” using gas, paint thinner, and bleach in the garage that night. There is physical evidence of a wiping of a 3’x3’ area of the floor. The sheen of the garage floor can be seen in that particular area. Gas, paint thinner, and bleach used together are sufficient for eliminating DNA as well as hemoglobin.

• The pelvic bone in the quarry was never identified as human.

• Rebuttal against the argument that TH’s blood would have been detected in the garage if the garage was part of the murder scene: Not if the garage surface was very smooth, which it appears to be. The surface would not have been difficult to clean up. Lack of detection does not mean it was never there. Also, the clean up could have been sufficient to destroy any evidence (see above).

• Rebuttal against a financial motive of law enforcement against Avery: Avery’s lawsuit would have proceeded, whether he was guilty or not guilty of new charges. SA did not have to settle. It was not a forgone conclusion that he would accept settlement to finance a private defense; he could have elected to accept representation by public defender. Incarceration does not prevent someone from litigating although the logistics would be complicated.

• Rebuttal against nefarious tampering of SA’s blood sample vial: The hole in the top was not only normal but the prison nurse who put the blood into the vial using a syringe was available to testify.

• Rebuttal against nefarious tampering of SA’s blood sample container box: The first case’s defense team unsealed the evidence in 2002 to use the sample for DNA testing and taped it up. They probably assumed it would never be needed again.

• Rebuttal against planting of the blood in TH’s RAV4: SA could have wiped for prints but ignored the blood. Criminals can be careless.

• Rebuttal against the planting of the RAV4 itself on the property: To get the RAV4 to the location it was found, the towing/driving would take place right past SA’s parents’ house and through the yard. [see maps of the property] An unexpected car or tow truck could easily be heard especially at night. This is especially true in the quiet, rural environment in which the property is located. Planting could not have happened during the day as the yard is an active salvage yard, a business that gets worked, and people would have been around. Additionally, the aggressive family dog would have been on alert to this intrusion.

• Rebuttal against the planting of the bones on the property by law enforcement or someone on the outside of the family: The bones weren’t planted if the RAV4 wasn’t planted as her body was in the rear of the RAV4. That is, unless the killers/body planters had some alternative place to hide the body while the RAV4 planting transpired. Additionally, the aggressive family dog would have been on alert to this intrusion. This farfetched, convoluted, and implausible scenario sounds highly unlikely to be the actual event.

• Rebuttal against the planting of the bones on the property by someone in the family: Not likely as the original burn site appears to be SA’s fire pit, e.g. intertwining with wires, tiny fragments from her jeans (buttons from pockets) in the debris, etc. No one else would have tended a fire behind SA’s trailer except SA himself. SA likely ran out of time at the pit and burnt her remainder, e.g. torso, in one of the burn barrels, perhaps bringing that out to the quarry for final burning.

• Rebuttal against the oft cited argument that SA’s fire would not have been sufficient to burn the body: Not if he did so overnight, e.g. from roughly 7:00pm or even 10:00pm until 5:00am the next morning.

• Rebuttal against the oft cited argument that the fire would smell so bad as to attract attention from Barb or members of her family: Not at all. Apparently, the smell of a burning human has been likened to BBQ or pig roast. With the burning of tire rubber in there, the smell would not seem unusual.


So, what do you think? Is this how Steven Avery did it? Leave your comments if you agree or see any flaws in this theory!

Again, this is a theory from a user on Reddit and I did not come up with it.



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